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by **Rasal** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:58 pm

using 6.01B1: 00 66 30 A2 9A 70.

Speed limiter set to 1.8 gives me 1mbps, 2.2 gives me 1.2. set to 2.5 gives me 1.5. full gives me my correct ~3.1 mbps

no changes to server settings, OS, router, network from 5,5 or 6.0 both of which speed limiter was working correctly for me using anywhere from 500 to full out on my 3mbps connection.

by **Quade** » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:38 pm

I'll see if I can reproduce it thanks.

by **Rasal** » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:51 am

thanks. In terms of other detail, I am running five connections ssl, and this is a win 7 machine. if you need any other info let me know.

by **netquestz** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:11 pm

I'm having issues with the speed limiter as well. It's a bit worse then just being incorrect. Every time I enable speed limit I have to restart Newsbin because it stops transferring data and will not allow you to disable speed limiter once you enable it. Even upon restarting of Newsbin, if I enable the limiter even with no downloads in progress all connections become unresponsive and I'm unable to disable speed limiter without exiting Newbin and re-starting. As long as I leave speed limiter off all seems fine.

Just thought I'd toos in this report - hope it helps

Regards all ......

by **Quade** » Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:19 pm

What do you have it set to?

by **netquestz** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:43 pm

3.2Mbps/415.6kBps currently. I have moved it up and down but it make no difference. Also, I wasn't totally clear with my last post. When I said it terminated all connections, I mean to the box, not to the program. It's effecting all NIC traffic including my Remote Desktop connection which it promptly terminates. For this post I setup the following: Starting with no limiter I selected (1) 250meg mp3 for D/L. Then I set the limiter and pushed download. It got 1.3meg of the file before it terminated my remote desktop connection. Yes, I failed to mention remote desktop too. With that I went to the local machine for further testing. Newsbin is terminating all NIC traffic for sure to all software. Outlook couldn't communicate with servers, my security system lost the internet etc. At that point if I terminate Newsbin (all its commands still work so I should say exit Newbin normally except that you lose control of the limiter - once enabled it can't be disabled w/o exiting) all NIC traffic resumes in about 5 seconds from exit of Newsbin like nothing ever happened. I have a weather station that transmits data every minute and that resumes normal operations as well. This all started when I upgraded to this version from the previous beta. I'm usually right up on new releases but I may have been 2 beta releases back - I'm not 100% positive. The computer is an older box: Asus K8s-MX MB 1gig/ram ATI 9200 series video OS is XP Pro sp3 fully updated/patched. Oh, the NIC shows as a SiS 190 100/10 Ethernet Device in hardware manager. Processor is a simple AMD64 2800+ single core w/ 1 meg ram. Newsbin has been running on this particular box now since about oh 2006 I'd say; flawlessly and on the same Sumsung HD. This box runs my security systems, weather station and solar power array monitoring software (solar powered off-grid home) and has been in service 24/7 since about 2005. Its a VERY stable/predictable old computer.

I'm going to try installing this version on my laptop later today and see if I can reproduce this but I'm sure it'll end up being something specific to this box and probably this NIC.

Regards,

Mark

by **Quade** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:02 pm

When I said it terminated all connections, I mean to the box, not to the program. It's effecting all NIC traffic including my Remote Desktop connection which it promptly terminates.

I doubt this is something I can fix. Or if I fix it, it'll just be by accident. This is just a guess but, I think something in your windows is running out of RAM so, there's no room for additional network packets. I think you're going to find that it's specific to this machine or to old security software. Newsbin sets large read buffers to improve speed. my guess is, when you enable the limiter, these buffers fill up and there's no room left for additional packets. Might be a function of the NIC or windows running low on RAM, I don't really know.

You understand that MANY people use the BW limiter and don't have this problem right? Even the original poster is just complaining about the speed, not that it's killing his PC.

1 - First thing I'd do is cut the connections down to 1 or 2. See what happens.

2 - Next thing is tell Newsbin to use smaller net buffers.

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DJI Interprises\Newsbin50\Settings

RecieveBuffer

I'd set this to 8192 decimal (2000 hex).

This value won't be there. You'll have to add it.

Again see what happens.

by **Rasal** » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:53 pm

I am not having the issue reported by the second poster.

It does not seem to be associated with ram issues for me. I am seeing it right now at 40% of (3.3 GB available) ram in use (~2000 mb free).

Quade, am I the only one you have reports from with this specific conditions: actual 50% of limiter set speed? If so I will attempt reinstall or await any thoughts you might have on anything to check (recognizing you have a lot on your plate)

by **netquestz** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 2:38 pm

Looks like simply lowering the # of connections from 4 to 2 solves this issue for me. At 3 connections the issue re-surfaces.

This issue only seems to occur during remote desktop sessions. When local the issue disappears.

I just wanted to contribute this info to the beta effort. I'd hate to see an issue creep into the remote desktop compatibility of Newbin. 99% of the time I use a remote desktop sessions with Newbin because this box is up 24/7 due to its other jobs. I'm sure this is a far less common mode of operation for Newbin. I can live with a 2 connection limit under remote desktop sessions as long as it doesn't get worse. When limiting the speed whats the difference between 2 or 20 connections anyway. At full speed it doesn't matter how many connections are open. So whatever is going on its a mix of # of Newsbin server connections and the remote desktop session. Interestingly, when I quit Newbin on the local machine after the limiter interrupts the remote desktop session, the remote session re-starts and kicks me off the local machine back to a logon screen. So the remote PC is able to re-connect automatically as soon as Newbin is closed. There seems to be no hangs or crashes other then all NIC traffic stops while Newsbin is open.

Thank you again .......
Mark

by **potty** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:18 pm

I can tell you that this started with version 6.01B1 it seems to me. It worked on the beta before 6.0 went into production just fine. I had to got to this new beta version to fix the problem I was seeing where Newsbin would not look at my auto NZB folder location. This version fixed that problem but seems to have broken my speed limited function. When I enable this feature the speed drops to nothing and the Server 2003 x64 operating system will loose all network connectivity until I close the application. I did try dropping down to 2 connections instead of the 20 I get from my service provider and that does as least work. I would be happy to help by providing any information that you might want someone to provide.

Thanks

by **Quade** » Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:09 pm

Is this a low end AMD machine too? Just wondering if it's some ram limitation.

by **wasteofspace** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:36 am

running 6.01b3

it provides only half of what its set to.

didnt notice it in 6.01b1

by **potty** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 5:12 pm

My machine is running a dual core AMD processor which is 2.4ghz and it has 4gb ram. I would not consider that low memory but that is just me.

by **Rasal** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 6:29 pm

netquestz and potty,
I appreciate you are brand new forum members, but please your problem is 100% different (newsbin speed limiter affecting your machines speed in general) than the problem several year member "waste of space" and I are reporting.

Quade, my machine is a Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 @2.4G, 32 bit win 7. Experience is Proc 7.1, Ram 7.1. Graphics 6.5, Primary disk 5.9. Also I have no unusual QS settings at router

When I run speed limiter my machine download speed goes up (as expected) testing with both DSL reports and speedtest.com

IE on my 3 Mbps dsl with newsbin pro 6
- running full speed other apps run about 0.2 mbps down and 0.3 up (as expected)
- running "limited" set at 1.8 (which actually runs at 0.9-1) I get 2.7 down on speedtest in my browser

In other words no limit is fine. Setting Newsbin Pro to "Limited" 1.8 does not damage my download speed in other applications. Teh only problem I have is the speed limit will not give me what I want, which is 2.0 to 2.4 of my 3.0 no matter what I set it at.
Set at 1 get .5
Set at 2 get 1
Set at 3 get 3
Set at 4 get 3
Set at 5 get 3

by **Quade** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:10 pm

I didn't really have any problem keeping both threads running in parallel here.

- 2 machines which lose connectivity. This topic is pretty much over at this point. Nobody seems to have tried by buffer tweeks in the registry.

- Report that the limiter isn't working the way it should.

I don't really have any idea for the on or off nature of the limiter on your setup. I'd suggest only running a couple download connections. 2-3 maybe. It might actually be related to what these guys are reporting, I don't know. Maybe the large internal buffer size is causing both issues. I don't really have any real clues though.

You could try cutting the buffer sizes down the way, I suggested for the other issue and see if it makes a difference.

by **Rasal** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:34 pm

Quade, again thanks for your attention. Is there anything I can check on my end? I did not have this problem on 5.5 and imported all my settings (eg 5 connections).

by **Quade** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:49 pm

Well, you can try cutting down the buffer size as I suggested above.

by **potty** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:04 pm

I just set the buffer as requested and will try again soon and let you know the outcome

by **potty** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:13 pm

I did a reboot and everything is working like it used to with the registry setting in place. I can now play online games while downloading like I used to.

Thanks for the help and solution.

by **mho** » Mon Jul 25, 2011 11:41 pm

Even if you have 4 GB RAM, the _kernel_ memory can run out. (I guess the now-large buffers will consume kernel memory...) If I remember correctly, max kernel memory in 32-bit XP is limited to something like 130MB, however much RAM you have. (This is what finally pushed me over to 64-bit 7).

Quade, I suggest you lower the default buffer size in the 32-bit build. Not sure if the limits are as low in 32-bit 7 (never tried it), but I suspect most that are running 32-bit are on XP or possibly Vista:-)

- mho

by **Rasal** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:51 am

I posted my ram numbers right away, and I am running 32 bit, as I also posted, as I suspect many win7 are due to other program compatibility interests.

I did not initially try the buffer setting because I was fairly sure you were responding to user with a completely different problem. I did a fair amount of testing and connection speeds by other programs to both the net and my home net are not affected at all.

I also ran a number of checks of ram and this happnes with fresh boots minimal programs loaded and 60% of my ram available (out of 3.2 GB usable)

by **Quade** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:24 am

The RAM I'm talking about is invisible ram, hidden deep in the windows kernel. It's used for storing data that the PC has received but, not yet sent up to the application. The amount of RAM we're talking about is relatively small so, I'm kind of surprised this has come up at all. Even with 20 connections, we're talking about a couple megs of ram tops. I wonder if there's something more to this, like some artificial limit imposed because these aren't server versions of windows? I can say even running 60 connections here, Win7 64, I've never experienced this so, it really sounds like something unusual deep down. I almost wonder if it's NIC related and an issue with the 2 AMD machines because of the same NIC.

by **Rasal** » Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:18 pm

I can only say I ran several versions of 5 without this problem, and I did not have this problem with the early version of 6.

Indeed one of my first posts here a 18 months ago had to do with speed limiter settings
viewtopic.php?t=26371

I was very happy with itimpi's "nbschedule" but haven't even thried that yet for 6 . (all my qos are back to lynksis stock for some time)

I understand you can't troubleshoot every different users configuration, but mine is pretty standard, and speed limiter was working on this machine with this OS on 5.5 and first beta I used of version 6,00. This issue is introduced for me in most recent version of 6 only.

by **wasteofspace** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:10 pm

Quade wrote:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DJI Interprises\Newsbin50\Settings

RecieveBuffer

I'd set this to 8192 decimal (2000 hex).

This value won't be there. You'll have to add it.

Again see what happens.

This seems to have done it for me, instead of getting half Im getting 25-29 when limiter set to 30 - in version 601b3.

by **Quade** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:13 pm

That's good to know. Thanks.

by **pentagod** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:00 am

I am on 6.11build 1342. The regedit did NOT work for me. I am strong networking and windows and can help diagnose if you want.

Sandybridge I7 quad unlocked (autos to 4.4 ghz) with 16 gigs of ram on an asus P8 mb. I have SataIII SSd drvs on the back end in a stripe. I have time warner cable modem with 30/5 meg down/up that specs out a little over almost always. (i am one of the few in my neighborhood one it.)
Windows 7x64.

I did the testing this way:
I use DUMETER to show bandwidth. It matches what NewbinPro reads.
no limiter: >= max bandwidth @ 33.5mbp/s
speed limiter <= 22mbp/s with the limiter set to 29.5mbps. (I set it to this so I don't stifle my online games ect.)

Back in the 5 series and early 6 betas I did not have this problem. I can go back to give you a version that 'works' (and that may be my 'fix' for the problem but it does limit me on your future releases)

I did the reg key mod and even lowered my session count to 2. At 2 sessions I cannot acheive max speed like I can with 25 (and 50;giganews). That makes for a good artificial delimiter instead of speed limit but this is not entirely effective is I want maximum speed. (it does get to about 27mbp/s though and stay there somewhat)

with sessions and 3 or greater with the reg key and without, I still get the erratic behavior with the limit being set at 29.5mbp/s going erratic between 14.5mbp/s to 25mbp/s.

Any help you can offer on why this is happening would be great. Also, this behavior is the same with rdp and local.

by **sdamaged** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:03 am

Speed limited not working for me either. Full speed is 40MB (5.5MB/s)

If i set the speed limit to 38MB, it never goes above (around) 20MB which simply isn't correct

Specs of the machine running Newsbin below

Intel Core i5 2400s (2.5Ghz)
Gigabyte GA-H67M-UD2H-B3 Motherboard
Seagate 80GB 2.5” HDD (OS)
550w Corsair PSU
12 x 2TB Western Digital Caviar Green HDDs (RAID6)
3 x Icy Box IB-554SSK 4 Bay Hot Swap SATA Enclosures with alarm.
3Ware 9650SE-12ML Hardware Raid Controller (with BBU)
8GB Corsair DDR3 RAM

by **pentagod** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:37 am

with the buffer set (in the registry, and only 3 threads, I can 'work around the limiter' with letting it run wide open and stay fairly even @ 1 megabit from my max. Is there a better buffer amount to set to get it from being sporadic, or is the number arbitrary? What is it by default?

by **Quade** » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:34 am

We were talking about this on IRC. It's really not obvious why this impacts some people but, not others. Why do they work for me and not for you for instance?

The default buffer sizes are dynamic in windows. Windows looks at the connection and decides what the buffer size can be.

by **pentagod** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:21 am

Any news on that debug ver to collect data on the network for this issue? I will have time to work on it tonight / this weekend. (no rush as I have workaround). Just checking in. Can't connect IRC from work.

by **Quade** » Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:27 am

Well, I did some research and a sleep function I use "Sleep(1)" doesn't always sleep 1ms. In fact, it varies from one to 10 ms or more. Also I was using "GetTickCount()" which is only granular down to 1 ms which doesn't seem to be enough at high speeds.

So, I have looked at it. Made some changes to use a more precise timer. It'll be in the next beta. Not clear if this will solve the problems because I can't make it break here.

by **pentagod** » Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:42 pm

Interesting.... Can't wait to see it.

by **sdamaged** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:50 pm

Just as an update, i tried the fixes above with the receivebuffers, and also dropping my connections down from 20 to 2. The speed limiter still doesn't work properly unfortunately

I set the speed limited to 35Mbps, and it sits around 10Mbps, nowhere near the speed it should be. I am also running Newsbin from a remote desktop session as well (if it's relevant?) as the machine is in my attic

Hoping this can be resolved!

cheers

by **Quade** » Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:07 pm

6.2B1 is up in the forum. Might be worth trying.

by **sdamaged** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:55 pm

Not sure if it's just coincidence, but i can't get over 5.5Mbps when downloading now, with speed limiter turned off and 20 connections enabled....

very odd

I may have to roll back!

by **pentagod** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:23 pm

Going to get it now...!

by **pentagod** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:58 am

No real change in the behavior. Can I get some logs for you?

by **pentagod** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:19 pm

to be more clear, the speed limiting is behaving pretty much the same in it's erratic behavior. It does slow down the speed, but nowhere near where I would expect. Let me know what you would like to see on this.

by **Quade** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:27 am

I'll have to think about it. Not sure there's anything to log.

by **Quade** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:07 pm

Want to give this one a try?

http://www.newsbin.com/downloads/nb620B4.exe

New BW limiter and some other fixes.

by **pentagod** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:36 pm

now THAT is what I am talking about...! Solid as a rock! You sir are the man. I wish I could have helped more.

by **pentagod** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:37 pm

There is ~100K fluctuation around the (my speed limit) 29 megabit mark. Plenty acceptable. My OCD will make me look harder, but this is by far acceptable.

by **linnx88** » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:03 pm

I had this problem when I installed the latest version of Newsbin 6.11 64 bit on my Win 7 64b machine. I lowered the # of connections for my news server from 15 to 3 and the limiter worked fine again. Hooray!! Thank you. Image link not allowed for unregistered users

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