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Well seems to work great on Windows 8, thanks Quade, at the moment it about the only thing that does work right

I've been running under Win8 for a couple weeks now. There's a learning curve and in most ways usability wise, it's not as good as Win7. It's cleaner though. I avoid Metro most of the time. Sometimes you can't.

Agreed, Metro is nice if your on a touch device but horrible on my power desktop, which is why I have bypassed it with Classic Start Menu until Microsoft bow to pressure and put in a bypass on a system update though I must admit 8 is faster than 7 and a bit faster from the system tests I have run so its not all bad. Now all I need is Windows 8 drivers for my graphics card and my anti-virus and firewall software sorted by the manufacturers

and my anti-virus and firewall software sorted by the manufacturers

Might want to consider sticking with the MS supplied stuff. It seems to be the least intrusive. Least likely to break your PC too.

I am at the moment but I bought a 3 year renewal deal with GFI for Vipre about six months ago so once they have the installer running on the release version of windows 8 I will swap to that

Any Metro haters should try StartIsBack. I tried with Metro, I really did but for non-touchscreen it's completely lame - StartIsBack brings back a proper Win7 start menu and it's not some emulated crap like Stardock do. Give it a try.

Yeah, I've heard it does the trick - there's supposed to be other hacks out there too. My personal opinion is MS will wake up and reintroduce this for win 9,if not before, once the sales numbers for upgrades get finalized in a couple of quarters. They've already fired the main win8 executive. Oops, sorry, it was a "mutual arrangement".

I think it was smart of them to integrate what is essentially a mobile GUI into their mainstream OS. If they can stay the line for a few more years(not a given anymore - they're bleeding money and alienating their clientele) and make metro trivially optional, they can reap the benefits of a more polished OS underneath (everything I've heard says the guts inside are faster and trimmer), grow a market which integrates mobile and desktop, but let people who have to make a living and not just post to their Facebook account get back to work. Instead they're trying to be Apple and tell their customers what they need and turning their backs on the OEMs. Remains to be seen how this plays out.

DT

My personal opinion is MS will wake up and reintroduce this for win 9,if not before,

I agree.